Where do I begin, the ekg was bad, but I am feeling great compared to even a year ago. There will be more tests and I should have a friend along when I go on big walks. OH well the flowers are growing and I am selling Bisbee Wall Flowers in a few places.
more to follow.
Tuesday, September 25, 2007
Thursday, September 6, 2007
woodly and the crew speak about mining
6. Comment by Lloyd W. (Windle) — September 6,2007 @ 7:12AM
Rating: 20 Thumbs Up
#5 go take a good look at Bisbee not only the pit but the overburden piles.Then go look at Morenci thats even worse.On your way to Rosemonts look at the piles of overburden with the dust flying in the wind.I live in Willcox and when we finally got rid of P-D's smelter in Douglas we had clear skys.Now that Mexico is expanding its smelters our sky is hazy evey day.
8. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 8:13AM
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I hope this mine gets the fast pass treatment. I will echo the above sentiment that industry drives a country and provides great employee pay and tax base.
The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it.
They do however know what an uninformed knee jerk reaction is!
9. Comment by Joel S. (NativeSon) — September 6,2007 @ 8:18AM
Rating: 15 Thumbs Up
#8-You mis-spelled "know". Maybe the folks who oppose the mining "no" something after all.
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10. Comment by Florence P. (free thinker) — September 6,2007 @ 8:28AM
Rating: 18 Thumbs Up
The mining law of 1872 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. The people who OWN the rights to State and Federal lands (THE PUBLIC) deserve a bigger percent of the PROFITS the mines make. I have been to Rosemont Junction on many occasions and it is a beautiful place. DON'T let the large corporations ruin it.
11. Comment by Tom b. (Unhyphenated American) — September 6,2007 @ 8:59AM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Down
Come on build the mine, China needs the copper. Gotta keep Walmart stocked.
12. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:07AM
Rating: 17 Thumbs Up
number 6, right on, and don't for get the Ray mine on the back road to Superior. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER OPEN HOLE IN ARIZONA.
15. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:38AM
Rating: 17 Thumbs Up
I know about mining, the company gets rich, the miners take the risk, the community is discarded like a beer can at the end, the government does the clean up, and in this case only foreigners make the big buck, and the copper goes to china......and so on. Did not live in Arizona all my life to not know this cycle.
Now I would like to see a few more citrus groves or cotton fields. The other two c's never distribute me. "I never picked cotton."
16. Comment by Robert H. (Frith) — September 6,2007 @ 9:56AM
Rating: 16 Thumbs Up
Gabrielle had better heed the call on this one. Public sentiment against this mine is running very high and growing. The mining law of 1872 must be changed before corporations utterly destroy the last of our pristine areas, pollute and poison our air and water, and rape the wealth from our public lands. Get on board, Gaby!
18. Comment by Thomas C. (Copperhead) — September 6,2007 @ 10:38AM
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Hey Robert, we have built a nation and won wars on the back of the economic engine known as mining. If you can't grow it, you must mine it. Please let us know what areas of the country you consider not "pristine", since economic copper deposits exist everywhere in the US we should be able to mine where you designate.......get real. Arizona supplies over 60 percent of the copper consumed in the US (yes the US, and most of the rest is imported). Since mining in AZ is contributing $10+ billion a year to AZ's economy, it would appear that AZ is "reaping the wealth" from the mining companies as well. BTW I don't want $20 million of my tax money spent on a pipeline so that GV and Sah. can grow into bigger communities and tax the system even more. Let's spend $0, let Augusta pay for the pipeline, and reap the benefits to the economy they bring. Just say NO to Arizona becoming the nations' tourist trap.....
19. Comment by Brynn D. (#6655) — September 6,2007 @ 11:25AM
Rating: 11 Thumbs Down
It's always amazing to me how ignorant some people can be. Everyone loves to bash mining but not the lifestyle. How nice would those new homes in GV be without there copper wiring and copper plumbing. Wouldn't matter much since no one would be driving out to their shacks without the mined resources required to build their car, or any American infrastructure for that matter.
As for the environmental impact, get a clue people and listen to someone that is educated on the subject. The US has the most restrictive laws regarding mining. If you force the mines out of the US, there goes your safety and your environmental accountability. Don't go thinking it's that easy to go elsewhere either. I'm sure many of you weren't paying attention in science class, but you can't dig a hole wherever you want and find copper, gold, coal, etc. Copper will be mined in southern AZ for hundreds of years.
Interesting that people cite Morenci as an example when it is currently being mined, has yet to be reclaimed, and in a place that wouldn't even be populated without the mine.
Don't criticize Giffords for realizing that business is good for AZ and AZ is a mining state. Maybe some of you should join the anti-gambling folks in Nevada too. Furthermore, since when did making an area national forest prevent mineral exploration, national park, that's another story.
20. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 1:51PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Down
This isn't even about a mine. Follow the money. This is about getting a government agency to buy the property.
That is how it all started and nothing has changed but the price.
22. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 2:24PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Up
#15 - Interesting that you are for citrus and cotton fields. Perhaps you forgot that we are in a desert and that those fields take up so much water that if they went away we would not have a water shortage and many of the lost riparian areas would be replenished.
23. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 2:58PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Down
Native son, KNOW is derived from knowledge and was correct in usage,
NO is not correct, chump!
24. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 3:04PM
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Well said copperhead!
When I hear all the whining about mines I just shake my head. Communities dumped, people take the risks and all that drivel is thoughless reactions.
With the reclamation laws in place now, it should be a non-issue
25. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 3:13PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Up
Um Robert 23, you may want to read your comment in #8 than Native Son is referring to.
You wrote "The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it."
That's why he made his posting.
26. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 4:17PM
Rating: 0 Thumbs Up
Chris B, oh, I read the other know in my post!
OK, so they "know" nothing about mining!
Before I got out of mining in 99 I would've spelled;
"Them don't no nuttin about no minin" so at least I am making progress!
27. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 4:20PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Up
A hard rock open pit mine can never be economically reclaimed, especially one located on a slope at 4,500 ft elevation.
The only way to get at the ore is to use thousands of tons explosives, and move millions of tons of rock.
The ore is of such a low grade that real mining companies didn't want it.
The whole thing is a scam to sell the property.
29. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:14PM
Rating: 0 Thumbs Up
number 27 you are right, I know mines, I remember those explosives shaking the whole town on a regular day. Ever see the opening to violent Saturday. so right.
As to that other comment about cotton and citrus and water. It's true but, the typical house on that property now uses almost the same water and all we received was more traffic. I miss orange groves and cotton bowls. "I never picked cotton"owls. "I never picked cotton"
Rating: 20 Thumbs Up
#5 go take a good look at Bisbee not only the pit but the overburden piles.Then go look at Morenci thats even worse.On your way to Rosemonts look at the piles of overburden with the dust flying in the wind.I live in Willcox and when we finally got rid of P-D's smelter in Douglas we had clear skys.Now that Mexico is expanding its smelters our sky is hazy evey day.
8. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 8:13AM
Rating: 15 Thumbs Down This comment is below your threshold. (View Comment)
I hope this mine gets the fast pass treatment. I will echo the above sentiment that industry drives a country and provides great employee pay and tax base.
The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it.
They do however know what an uninformed knee jerk reaction is!
9. Comment by Joel S. (NativeSon) — September 6,2007 @ 8:18AM
Rating: 15 Thumbs Up
#8-You mis-spelled "know". Maybe the folks who oppose the mining "no" something after all.
Rate this comment
10. Comment by Florence P. (free thinker) — September 6,2007 @ 8:28AM
Rating: 18 Thumbs Up
The mining law of 1872 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. The people who OWN the rights to State and Federal lands (THE PUBLIC) deserve a bigger percent of the PROFITS the mines make. I have been to Rosemont Junction on many occasions and it is a beautiful place. DON'T let the large corporations ruin it.
11. Comment by Tom b. (Unhyphenated American) — September 6,2007 @ 8:59AM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Down
Come on build the mine, China needs the copper. Gotta keep Walmart stocked.
12. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:07AM
Rating: 17 Thumbs Up
number 6, right on, and don't for get the Ray mine on the back road to Superior. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER OPEN HOLE IN ARIZONA.
15. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:38AM
Rating: 17 Thumbs Up
I know about mining, the company gets rich, the miners take the risk, the community is discarded like a beer can at the end, the government does the clean up, and in this case only foreigners make the big buck, and the copper goes to china......and so on. Did not live in Arizona all my life to not know this cycle.
Now I would like to see a few more citrus groves or cotton fields. The other two c's never distribute me. "I never picked cotton."
16. Comment by Robert H. (Frith) — September 6,2007 @ 9:56AM
Rating: 16 Thumbs Up
Gabrielle had better heed the call on this one. Public sentiment against this mine is running very high and growing. The mining law of 1872 must be changed before corporations utterly destroy the last of our pristine areas, pollute and poison our air and water, and rape the wealth from our public lands. Get on board, Gaby!
18. Comment by Thomas C. (Copperhead) — September 6,2007 @ 10:38AM
Rating: 13 Thumbs Down This comment is below your threshold. (View Comment)
Hey Robert, we have built a nation and won wars on the back of the economic engine known as mining. If you can't grow it, you must mine it. Please let us know what areas of the country you consider not "pristine", since economic copper deposits exist everywhere in the US we should be able to mine where you designate.......get real. Arizona supplies over 60 percent of the copper consumed in the US (yes the US, and most of the rest is imported). Since mining in AZ is contributing $10+ billion a year to AZ's economy, it would appear that AZ is "reaping the wealth" from the mining companies as well. BTW I don't want $20 million of my tax money spent on a pipeline so that GV and Sah. can grow into bigger communities and tax the system even more. Let's spend $0, let Augusta pay for the pipeline, and reap the benefits to the economy they bring. Just say NO to Arizona becoming the nations' tourist trap.....
19. Comment by Brynn D. (#6655) — September 6,2007 @ 11:25AM
Rating: 11 Thumbs Down
It's always amazing to me how ignorant some people can be. Everyone loves to bash mining but not the lifestyle. How nice would those new homes in GV be without there copper wiring and copper plumbing. Wouldn't matter much since no one would be driving out to their shacks without the mined resources required to build their car, or any American infrastructure for that matter.
As for the environmental impact, get a clue people and listen to someone that is educated on the subject. The US has the most restrictive laws regarding mining. If you force the mines out of the US, there goes your safety and your environmental accountability. Don't go thinking it's that easy to go elsewhere either. I'm sure many of you weren't paying attention in science class, but you can't dig a hole wherever you want and find copper, gold, coal, etc. Copper will be mined in southern AZ for hundreds of years.
Interesting that people cite Morenci as an example when it is currently being mined, has yet to be reclaimed, and in a place that wouldn't even be populated without the mine.
Don't criticize Giffords for realizing that business is good for AZ and AZ is a mining state. Maybe some of you should join the anti-gambling folks in Nevada too. Furthermore, since when did making an area national forest prevent mineral exploration, national park, that's another story.
20. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 1:51PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Down
This isn't even about a mine. Follow the money. This is about getting a government agency to buy the property.
That is how it all started and nothing has changed but the price.
22. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 2:24PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Up
#15 - Interesting that you are for citrus and cotton fields. Perhaps you forgot that we are in a desert and that those fields take up so much water that if they went away we would not have a water shortage and many of the lost riparian areas would be replenished.
23. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 2:58PM
Rating: 2 Thumbs Down
Native son, KNOW is derived from knowledge and was correct in usage,
NO is not correct, chump!
24. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 3:04PM
Rating: 5 Thumbs Down This comment is below your threshold. (View Comment)
Well said copperhead!
When I hear all the whining about mines I just shake my head. Communities dumped, people take the risks and all that drivel is thoughless reactions.
With the reclamation laws in place now, it should be a non-issue
25. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 3:13PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Up
Um Robert 23, you may want to read your comment in #8 than Native Son is referring to.
You wrote "The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it."
That's why he made his posting.
26. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 4:17PM
Rating: 0 Thumbs Up
Chris B, oh, I read the other know in my post!
OK, so they "know" nothing about mining!
Before I got out of mining in 99 I would've spelled;
"Them don't no nuttin about no minin" so at least I am making progress!
27. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 4:20PM
Rating: 1 Thumb Up
A hard rock open pit mine can never be economically reclaimed, especially one located on a slope at 4,500 ft elevation.
The only way to get at the ore is to use thousands of tons explosives, and move millions of tons of rock.
The ore is of such a low grade that real mining companies didn't want it.
The whole thing is a scam to sell the property.
29. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:14PM
Rating: 0 Thumbs Up
number 27 you are right, I know mines, I remember those explosives shaking the whole town on a regular day. Ever see the opening to violent Saturday. so right.
As to that other comment about cotton and citrus and water. It's true but, the typical house on that property now uses almost the same water and all we received was more traffic. I miss orange groves and cotton bowls. "I never picked cotton"owls. "I never picked cotton"
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