Had big thoughts, and lost them must post more often..........

no big thinking,

Where do I begin, the ekg was bad, but I am feeling great compared to even a year ago. There will be more tests and I should have a friend along when I go on big walks. OH well the flowers are growing and I am selling Bisbee Wall Flowers in a few places.

more to follow.

woodly and the crew speak about mining

6. Comment by Lloyd W. (Windle) — September 6,2007 @ 7:12AM
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#5 go take a good look at Bisbee not only the pit but the overburden piles.Then go look at Morenci thats even worse.On your way to Rosemonts look at the piles of overburden with the dust flying in the wind.I live in Willcox and when we finally got rid of P-D's smelter in Douglas we had clear skys.Now that Mexico is expanding its smelters our sky is hazy evey day.

8. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 8:13AM
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I hope this mine gets the fast pass treatment. I will echo the above sentiment that industry drives a country and provides great employee pay and tax base.
The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it.
They do however know what an uninformed knee jerk reaction is!

9. Comment by Joel S. (NativeSon) — September 6,2007 @ 8:18AM
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#8-You mis-spelled "know". Maybe the folks who oppose the mining "no" something after all.
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10. Comment by Florence P. (free thinker) — September 6,2007 @ 8:28AM
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The mining law of 1872 NEEDS TO BE REPEALED. The people who OWN the rights to State and Federal lands (THE PUBLIC) deserve a bigger percent of the PROFITS the mines make. I have been to Rosemont Junction on many occasions and it is a beautiful place. DON'T let the large corporations ruin it.

11. Comment by Tom b. (Unhyphenated American) — September 6,2007 @ 8:59AM
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Come on build the mine, China needs the copper. Gotta keep Walmart stocked.

12. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:07AM
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number 6, right on, and don't for get the Ray mine on the back road to Superior. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER OPEN HOLE IN ARIZONA.

15. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:38AM
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I know about mining, the company gets rich, the miners take the risk, the community is discarded like a beer can at the end, the government does the clean up, and in this case only foreigners make the big buck, and the copper goes to china......and so on. Did not live in Arizona all my life to not know this cycle.
Now I would like to see a few more citrus groves or cotton fields. The other two c's never distribute me. "I never picked cotton."

16. Comment by Robert H. (Frith) — September 6,2007 @ 9:56AM
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Gabrielle had better heed the call on this one. Public sentiment against this mine is running very high and growing. The mining law of 1872 must be changed before corporations utterly destroy the last of our pristine areas, pollute and poison our air and water, and rape the wealth from our public lands. Get on board, Gaby!

18. Comment by Thomas C. (Copperhead) — September 6,2007 @ 10:38AM
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Hey Robert, we have built a nation and won wars on the back of the economic engine known as mining. If you can't grow it, you must mine it. Please let us know what areas of the country you consider not "pristine", since economic copper deposits exist everywhere in the US we should be able to mine where you designate.......get real. Arizona supplies over 60 percent of the copper consumed in the US (yes the US, and most of the rest is imported). Since mining in AZ is contributing $10+ billion a year to AZ's economy, it would appear that AZ is "reaping the wealth" from the mining companies as well. BTW I don't want $20 million of my tax money spent on a pipeline so that GV and Sah. can grow into bigger communities and tax the system even more. Let's spend $0, let Augusta pay for the pipeline, and reap the benefits to the economy they bring. Just say NO to Arizona becoming the nations' tourist trap.....

19. Comment by Brynn D. (#6655) — September 6,2007 @ 11:25AM
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It's always amazing to me how ignorant some people can be. Everyone loves to bash mining but not the lifestyle. How nice would those new homes in GV be without there copper wiring and copper plumbing. Wouldn't matter much since no one would be driving out to their shacks without the mined resources required to build their car, or any American infrastructure for that matter.
As for the environmental impact, get a clue people and listen to someone that is educated on the subject. The US has the most restrictive laws regarding mining. If you force the mines out of the US, there goes your safety and your environmental accountability. Don't go thinking it's that easy to go elsewhere either. I'm sure many of you weren't paying attention in science class, but you can't dig a hole wherever you want and find copper, gold, coal, etc. Copper will be mined in southern AZ for hundreds of years.
Interesting that people cite Morenci as an example when it is currently being mined, has yet to be reclaimed, and in a place that wouldn't even be populated without the mine.
Don't criticize Giffords for realizing that business is good for AZ and AZ is a mining state. Maybe some of you should join the anti-gambling folks in Nevada too. Furthermore, since when did making an area national forest prevent mineral exploration, national park, that's another story.

20. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 1:51PM
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This isn't even about a mine. Follow the money. This is about getting a government agency to buy the property.
That is how it all started and nothing has changed but the price.

22. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 2:24PM
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#15 - Interesting that you are for citrus and cotton fields. Perhaps you forgot that we are in a desert and that those fields take up so much water that if they went away we would not have a water shortage and many of the lost riparian areas would be replenished.

23. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 2:58PM
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Native son, KNOW is derived from knowledge and was correct in usage,
NO is not correct, chump!

24. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 3:04PM
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Well said copperhead!
When I hear all the whining about mines I just shake my head. Communities dumped, people take the risks and all that drivel is thoughless reactions.
With the reclamation laws in place now, it should be a non-issue

25. Comment by Chris B. (Chris B.) — September 6,2007 @ 3:13PM
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Um Robert 23, you may want to read your comment in #8 than Native Son is referring to.
You wrote "The posters I have read no nothing about mining, the type of mine this will be or anything else related to it."
That's why he made his posting.


26. Comment by Robert L. (Zino) — September 6,2007 @ 4:17PM
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Chris B, oh, I read the other know in my post!
OK, so they "know" nothing about mining!
Before I got out of mining in 99 I would've spelled;
"Them don't no nuttin about no minin" so at least I am making progress!

27. Comment by Thomas C. (edward) — September 6,2007 @ 4:20PM
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A hard rock open pit mine can never be economically reclaimed, especially one located on a slope at 4,500 ft elevation.
The only way to get at the ore is to use thousands of tons explosives, and move millions of tons of rock.
The ore is of such a low grade that real mining companies didn't want it.
The whole thing is a scam to sell the property.

29. Comment by Rude S. (W Dejavu) — September 6,2007 @ 9:14PM
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number 27 you are right, I know mines, I remember those explosives shaking the whole town on a regular day. Ever see the opening to violent Saturday. so right.
As to that other comment about cotton and citrus and water. It's true but, the typical house on that property now uses almost the same water and all we received was more traffic. I miss orange groves and cotton bowls. "I never picked cotton"owls. "I never picked cotton"

4 great ideas, which need work but must be stated

1. why does bush not have a no troop left behind quote? He has imposed this con concept on education but he can not live to Congress imposed goal for Iraq when he does this to teachers..



2. forcing high goals on society, the poor, that are not required by the rich cronies is totialism.



3. the bush and the Kennedy legacy contracy: and legacy's they are,

Where as the Kennedy's driven by croisim were not ethical in the beginning; they found ethics because of their religion and became ethical.

While the bushes using ethics as a tool founded nothing but cronyism, because of their lack of values. and so on.



4.elections in all states should be based on the same priciles as no child left behind. performance based politics...

the lazy spelling is mine

letter in the paper from an instructor azstarnet, 8/22/2007

Don't forget about the people
Re: the Aug. 16 article "First Magnus halts loans."
I cried Thursday. My friends, a family member and business partners all lost their jobs. I've read all the other comments made on this subject, and want to remind the public that this isn't about subprime lending, greed or bad business practices. This is about the loss of jobs and the families that are being affected.
We need to remember that these are real people in our community who contribute to the purchase of goods and services. Has anyone considered the supplier who delivered the massive amounts of paper to First Magnus, or the copier technicians who were kept busy fixing the massive numbers of machines? What about the office cleaning staff who came in nightly to make sure the offices were presentable in the morning?
Everyone is trying to place blame. How about saying a prayer for all the families who have been touched by this tragedy?
Pat Leahy
Associate broker, Tucson

classes

real estate classes teach you the value of the communication, a good deal is always admitting what you can about what you do know and referring to others what you do not. But you must remember the commuication... an d so on

floaters

little black spots in my eye, are normal as you age but always have them checked.

happy to know that

we are under attack

from both the inside and the out.....mostly from the inside, I'd like to expand... pork barrel politics prevent real repairs to public works. int erst rate rise and people made millions trading money, this does not hurt the wealthy,that made that money...hateed is still there...mistakes are made......elected officials must be more honest, the time has come, let it happen, but financing must happen............

Thursday after the Minn bridge collapse

For 30 years they have said we must fix our infrastructure but we chose to go to war, I wonder if these infrastructure problems have caused more death then the terrorist? People die in Tucson because of predictable flooring, people die on I35 because of a poor bridge? We need to take care of Americans and this land......not be afraid of terrorist.

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no thumbs down, how odd

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/192114#

my statement about that:
it's absolutely true. I just don't understand, but I speculate that most people over 50 either did not analysis the situation or did not have friends that died there. Some of them were just programed differently by propaganda at the time and just did not see the similarities, I suppose.
Unfortunately, the next problem that followed our exit from Viet Nam was huge nation debt and inflation. Which the current government has done nothing to prevent. Accountability is gone, criminals rule, and in 15 years they'll blame the Democrats for the problems and it all begins again.
PS, why did they have impeachment processes for Clinton's tryst, and not for Bush. His administration makes it own legal reality; as it moves on from mess to mess. He makes Nixon look like a great statesman and honest man. If it is this bad now compared to then, I hope the kids of today can remember history or it will only be worse in the future. Oh forget that, no child left behind means that no one will thinking in the future, but they know how to take or cheat a test. Well this rambling should end. Unfortunately the Bush propaganda machine seems to be working very well these days and has not ended.

where do I begin, Bisbee

Went to bisbee today, most wonderful. weed wacked talked with neighbors and an old friend.

let me exsplain, I took lots of pictres of agava's on the lot, the lines seem right.
will sare them on my google picas page, the weather was wonderful, the bugs were dense, but the bug spray worked.

meet rick lopez again, must look in a year book,, we were JV football managers together, he works for bisbee water, nice guy. Good to talk with. Talked about that old garden in front of my aprants house. They are putting in a new water line.

Weed whacked the cemetery plot also, there is now a notice saying you must have permit to add permanent fixtures to the land. Finally,

The house in front of the manje property is listed for 76000 but has been on the market for 5 months.

I am back now, enjoying my evening.

ps I am Glad that Jeff has a perspective, he is a great mind.

My new PO box number is 1102, easy to remember.......

rls rodalee

the news for me

listened to npr, today: I did not know that 1 out of 3 Indian women on reservations are raped, but that few charges are pursued by the BIA and the FBI. This saddens me considerably. A woman died and identified her asaulters before her death, these men have never even been questioned, about this crime.

The new vertians recommendation from dole and cilaila were presented, the administration initially ignored the recommendations but by the end of the day said to begin work, about time, we must take care of our veterans. entitlement, bullshit, we are Americans, we should be entitled....childern, women, poor, rich, old, we are citizens.

"they volunteered to be in the military but did not volute er for poor leadership."

Finally Bob Dole is a good man, who could not fit into his time.

old web pages for new

I decided to move the domains I own www.bisbeetour.com and www.bisbeewalk.com to a new service iXhosting. This has made me think over the deal as it is these days. I miss the internet of the late 1990's, everything was new and the BS games were less. for example, I listed a weather site recently called BISBEEWEATHER.com, within months and after I added a link to it, the format was changed and now it is a commercial site that does no real weather, just lists of pseudo bisbee web sites. OH well. And then there are cell phones, it is as if companies and pseudo businesses think they can take money without providing real service.

Southwest Bee Supply

I wrote this review today at Google just for fun,
remember that the story has funny hours, and is not open on Mondays.


Southwest Bee Supply
844 S 6th Ave
Tucson, AZ 85701
(520) 882-7522Get

There is an out of the way charm about this wonderful shop.
The atmosphere is basic bee keeping and wine making,
but it works and you can not beat the sweetness of the honey.
It is the only place we purchase honey regularly

will this be the one?

I am looking for a simple blog point. Will this one work, will this be the one.